What Did That Say? Or, When is a Subtitle not a Subtitle?

What Did That Say? Or, When is a Subtitle not a Subtitle?

InigoLately I’ve had some experiences with subtitles that worry me a little. Here’s my problem: just what is it that’s being subtitled, and is there any way for us to know whether we’re missing something?

Usually when I’m watching a movie with subtitles, it’s in a language I have some grip on, like French or Italian. The subtitles are there to help me when the dialogue is too fast, or perhaps too colloquial, for me to follow it directly (though that in itself might be one of the problems, as we’ll see in a minute).  There’s only one thing I watch where I don’t have any real clue on the language, and that’s Japanese anime.

The thing is, I’ve always been a big fan of subtitles over dubbing. I prefer to hear the actors’ own voices – I know how important voice can be, and I figure actors are cast for that as much as for any other quality. Tone is also something it’s virtually impossible to translate. But now, having seen some of the stuff I’ve seen, I’m not so sure I wouldn’t be better off watching a dubbed version.

The only dubbed films or TV shows I regularly watch are dubbed in Spanish, and I do that so my ear doesn’t lose its facility with the language through long periods of disuse. I never use the English subtitles, first, because the whole point is for me to concentrate and follow the Spanish; and second, because, as a reader, my eye is always drawn first to the written word, and I’d be wasting my practice time reading the subtitles instead of listening. Though, I might cheat a bit by watching a movie or an episode first in English, so I can concentrate on the vocabulary rather than on the plot.

It was watching something dubbed in Spanish that first led me to question subtitles. I was watching the first season of a very old program (St. Elsewhere, for those curious), and for some reason I couldn’t turn the subtitles off. The thing was, it wasn’t the English subtitles that appeared, but the Spanish ones.

Now, on the surface, there might not appear to be much difference between “Es muy gracioso” and “Es muy chistozo” which I would personally translate as “He’s very funny” versus “He’s a real joker.” But for a writer there’s a real difference, and I’d suggest that’s true for readers as well. One of my cousins suggested that this type of difference could be a question of South American Spanish versus Castilian Spanish (ie. the version of the language spoken in Spain).

CastleAnd it’s the visit of another cousin that’s led to my present worries. She’s trying to practice her English, so we’re now watching shows in their original English, but with the Spanish subtitles to help her out in tricky moments. And here’s what I’ve noticed: the subtitles don’t always translate the dialogue. Sometimes the subtitles trim dialogue, giving the gist rather than the details. You can sort of understand that, considering the picture-equals-a-1000-words thing. The viewer can’t still be reading when the dialogue is long over.

But sometimes it’s a question of subtle changes in meaning. Let’s look at some examples from a single episode of Castle.

Just to start with, “Hey” doesn’t translate as “Hola”, though to be honest, I can’t think of the Spanish equivalent of “Hey” when used as a simple greeting. The older use of “hey”, as in “hey you,” translates as “oye.”

On the other hand, “Lady,” when used with an ironic tone, shouldn’t be translated as “señorita.”

“I just got the long face from the doc” isn’t exactly the same thing as “Mi doctor esta preocupada por mi salud.” Sure, both phrases indicate concern on the part of the character’s doctor, but the personality is missing. Let’s face it, “my doctor’s worried about my health” doesn’t have the same flavour, does it?

Here’s another: “You want to pick up the scissors and run around the house with them” becomes “Tomaras decisions apresuradas y podria ser peligroso.” (You’ll make decisions under pressure and that could be dangerous.) Well, yeah. But…

John Doe becomes Juan Perez, which, when you think about it, probably makes sense. And, the subtleties and colloquialisms can go the other way. “The room was tossed” becomes “el cuarto estaba patas arriba” or, “the room was all feet in the air,” which you have to admit is a great way of conveying the image of tossing.

But let’s turn to something nearer to our hearts, at least to mine, The Princess Bride. I’ve now seen this film dubbed in Spanish, and in English with Spanish subtitles. These are the things which leaped to the eye/ear.

They couldn’t translate the rhymes, but they did translate the rhyming: “¡No mas rimas! ¡Me hartas!” “¿Alguien quiere mas tartas?” Full points for that.

One of the more famous lines in the movie is the “Hello. My name is Iñigo Montoya” sequence. It’s translated in the dubbed version as “Qué tal. Mi nombre es Iñigo Montoya” and in the subtitles as “Hola. Mi nombre es Iñigo Montoya.” In my opinion the second is more accurate; “Qué tal” is a little too informal and a shade too friendly.

But I know what you want to ask. What about the most famous line? And you’re right, it, too, is translated two ways. In the dubbed version “As you wish” becomes “Como ordenas” (as you command) and in the subtitles it’s “Como desees.” (as you wish). Which is also, by the way, how it’s translated in the novel. Why the dubbed version wouldn’t use that phrase is more than I can tell you

So it’s really the nuances, the subtleties, the things you use your thesaurus for, that get smoothed over and/or changed in subtitling. Something that as writer, I know I’d find frustrating. Makes me wonder about books in translation. But that’s another subject.

Violette Malan is the author of the Dhulyn and Parno series of sword and sorcery adventures, as well as the Mirror Lands series of primary world fantasies. As VM Escalada, she writes the soon-to-be released Halls of Law series. Visit her website www.violettemalan.com

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Hi Violette!

I understand the subtitle versus dub issue is a big one in Japanese Anime. And I’ve noticed it in dubbed/subtitled Chinese and Japanese films.

Putting subtitles AND a dubbed soundtrack on leads to some very strange results, large and small. (A particular scene in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon comes to mind)

As far as books in translation, have you read Le Ton Bon De Marot?

Joe H.

I watch a fair amount of Chinese movies, always subtitled, and I’ve also seen examples where there are one or two lines of dialogue that are actually spoken in English, and the subtitles don’t match what the actors are saying.

Joe H.

I think the biggest question is whether the translation is being done (or at least being vetted) by a native speaker of the target language. But yes, I think doing a good translation is a real art form and I’m sure there are fascinating stories.

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