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	<title>Comments on: Robert Silverberg on &#8220;Are the days of the full-time novelist numbered?&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Adventures in Fantasy Literature</description>
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		<title>By: Making A Living &#124; Barnabus J. Wildebear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Making A Living &#124; Barnabus J. Wildebear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 19:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] discussion over at BlackGate magazine concerning the ability (or lack thereof) of SF writers to make a living practising their [...]</description>
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		<title>By: I need to pay more attention &#124; Filling Spaces</title>
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		<dc:creator>I need to pay more attention &#124; Filling Spaces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] back to Black Gate. Robert Silverberg (yes, him) has posted his own blog response about the subject raised by Mr. Sawyer. Then, Jerry Pournelle joined the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Reminders and stuff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reminders and stuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 18:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Robert Silverburg himself responded to the question. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: greggarious</title>
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		<dc:creator>greggarious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science fiction is not only about space travel. I currently see countless 'new advancements to ignite our collective imaginations'--or devancements, to propose a new term. Nanotech, biotech, communications, weaponry and digital warfare, genetic engineering... It's life on Earth now that is the new frontier of science fiction, and even life within ourselves. 

The best current example is Paulo Bacigalupi's first novel The Windup Girl winning the Nebula Award (Gibson's Neuromancer would be a past example). It's about a near future world dominated by Biotech corporations, the genetic manipulation of organisms, especially humans, new--and lower-tech--energy sources, and drastic climate change. 

So I don't think there is a lack of material to stimulate the public imagination. Science fiction dominates in the movies (Avatar!), and it can continue to capture the public imagination in books, perhaps more than ever. Many people are quietly overwhelmed by the pace of scientific and technological change (called Future Shock), and perhaps SF helps them understand and cope and adjust somewhat, even while it entertains. Star Trek had nothing like the iPhones out now. 

Bradbury and LeGuin used SF to explore human themes and issues, perhaps today's SF writers can use it to secretly help readers understand and adjust to the accelerating pace of change, both positive and negative. Future Shock Therapy! For all of their time on Earth, select people have projected change into the future, but now the implications are so obvious that everyone does it. Let the SF writers do it better than anyone else--while still exploring the human condition, like RB and UKLG, and our market stays alive and viable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science fiction is not only about space travel. I currently see countless &#8216;new advancements to ignite our collective imaginations&#8217;&#8211;or devancements, to propose a new term. Nanotech, biotech, communications, weaponry and digital warfare, genetic engineering&#8230; It&#8217;s life on Earth now that is the new frontier of science fiction, and even life within ourselves. </p>
<p>The best current example is Paulo Bacigalupi&#8217;s first novel The Windup Girl winning the Nebula Award (Gibson&#8217;s Neuromancer would be a past example). It&#8217;s about a near future world dominated by Biotech corporations, the genetic manipulation of organisms, especially humans, new&#8211;and lower-tech&#8211;energy sources, and drastic climate change. </p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t think there is a lack of material to stimulate the public imagination. Science fiction dominates in the movies (Avatar!), and it can continue to capture the public imagination in books, perhaps more than ever. Many people are quietly overwhelmed by the pace of scientific and technological change (called Future Shock), and perhaps SF helps them understand and cope and adjust somewhat, even while it entertains. Star Trek had nothing like the iPhones out now. </p>
<p>Bradbury and LeGuin used SF to explore human themes and issues, perhaps today&#8217;s SF writers can use it to secretly help readers understand and adjust to the accelerating pace of change, both positive and negative. Future Shock Therapy! For all of their time on Earth, select people have projected change into the future, but now the implications are so obvious that everyone does it. Let the SF writers do it better than anyone else&#8211;while still exploring the human condition, like RB and UKLG, and our market stays alive and viable.</p>
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		<title>By: Black Gate &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jerry Pournelle - Are the days of the full-time novelist numbered?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black Gate &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jerry Pournelle - Are the days of the full-time novelist numbered?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 04:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week Robert Silverberg commented on Robert Sawyer&#8217;s question “Are the days of the full-time novelist [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Friday finds &#171; STEVENHARTSITE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday finds &#171; STEVENHARTSITE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 05:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Robert Silverberg on the financial realities of the full-time novelist. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BulletProofPoet</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 02:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend linked to this blog in my Book Moguls forum at Delphi Forums. 

I think the decreasing interest in sci-fi is due to the time in which we live. We have to remember, a major part of what made sci-fi so appealing was what was going on during the early years. The turn of the century saw the the popularity of the car starting to take off, flight was something new, exciting and impossible, but here it was; man was flying!

The 40's during WWII, again, people's imaginations were starving for good sci-fi. Due to what was going on on the world scene, fiction about attacks from alien races, space wars and the like would have been extremely popular. 

Then, the war goes away, the automobile and flight become standard, everyday stuff and in the 50's sci-fi cools off. Then all of a sudden, in the 60's, "Hey, let's go to the moon!"

Boy o boy, how exciting! Our imagination runs wild again! Through the mid-to-late 60's mankind is rivited to their radios and TVs, gobbling up all the amazing accounts of trips around orbit, space walking then in 1969, we're on the moon! Is there life there? What does it mean? What does this hold out for teh future??

The 70's, space flights and moon landings continue. The momentum carried through the 80's somewhat, but soon, there was nothing else new, exciting happening anymore. Thus, the thirst for sci-fi slowly fades as our collective excitement regarding space exploration stalls. We expected to go to Mars, and beyond. To discover life other than our own. Nothing of the sort would happen. 

For sci-fi to thrive again, we need our space program or some incredible new advancement to ignite our collective imaginations again. Unless that happens, sci-fi will continue the slow descent into obscurity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend linked to this blog in my Book Moguls forum at Delphi Forums. </p>
<p>I think the decreasing interest in sci-fi is due to the time in which we live. We have to remember, a major part of what made sci-fi so appealing was what was going on during the early years. The turn of the century saw the the popularity of the car starting to take off, flight was something new, exciting and impossible, but here it was; man was flying!</p>
<p>The 40&#8217;s during WWII, again, people&#8217;s imaginations were starving for good sci-fi. Due to what was going on on the world scene, fiction about attacks from alien races, space wars and the like would have been extremely popular. </p>
<p>Then, the war goes away, the automobile and flight become standard, everyday stuff and in the 50&#8217;s sci-fi cools off. Then all of a sudden, in the 60&#8217;s, &#8220;Hey, let&#8217;s go to the moon!&#8221;</p>
<p>Boy o boy, how exciting! Our imagination runs wild again! Through the mid-to-late 60&#8217;s mankind is rivited to their radios and TVs, gobbling up all the amazing accounts of trips around orbit, space walking then in 1969, we&#8217;re on the moon! Is there life there? What does it mean? What does this hold out for teh future??</p>
<p>The 70&#8217;s, space flights and moon landings continue. The momentum carried through the 80&#8217;s somewhat, but soon, there was nothing else new, exciting happening anymore. Thus, the thirst for sci-fi slowly fades as our collective excitement regarding space exploration stalls. We expected to go to Mars, and beyond. To discover life other than our own. Nothing of the sort would happen. </p>
<p>For sci-fi to thrive again, we need our space program or some incredible new advancement to ignite our collective imaginations again. Unless that happens, sci-fi will continue the slow descent into obscurity.</p>
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		<title>By: mishellbaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>mishellbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of truth in this posting.  Though, I think it's been quite a while since "pseudo-Tolkien trilogies" were considered "highly commercial."

Whatever sells well is, by definition, commercial.  Anyone who has ever made a full-time living as a writer was, at the time, writing "highly commercial fiction."  

The trouble is, what's commercial changes from decade to decade, if not year to year.  Anyone who made a killing selling high-carb snacks in the 80s is probably feeling a bit panicky right now if they've not changed their primary product.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, my feeling is that I can either choose to market a product with the hopes of pleasing a large audience, or I can be content producing a product that is meant for myself and a few kindred spirits... and not expect to make a living at it.  I can't be dismissive of the tastes of the general reading population and at the same time relieve them of their equally hard-earned money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of truth in this posting.  Though, I think it&#8217;s been quite a while since &#8220;pseudo-Tolkien trilogies&#8221; were considered &#8220;highly commercial.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whatever sells well is, by definition, commercial.  Anyone who has ever made a full-time living as a writer was, at the time, writing &#8220;highly commercial fiction.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The trouble is, what&#8217;s commercial changes from decade to decade, if not year to year.  Anyone who made a killing selling high-carb snacks in the 80s is probably feeling a bit panicky right now if they&#8217;ve not changed their primary product.</p>
<p>At the risk of beating a dead horse, my feeling is that I can either choose to market a product with the hopes of pleasing a large audience, or I can be content producing a product that is meant for myself and a few kindred spirits&#8230; and not expect to make a living at it.  I can&#8217;t be dismissive of the tastes of the general reading population and at the same time relieve them of their equally hard-earned money.</p>
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		<title>By: dbwilyumz</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not Jack Vance, except in a peculiar way. In the 1950s Vance was a card-carrying union carpenter.  But when he made a significant sale, he and Norma would take the money and travel. When the money ran out, it would be back to the Bay Area and honest work.  In 1955, Vance had recently returned from Mexico where he and Frank Herbert had resided with their families for several months, hoping to live inexpensively as writers; but neither made any sales and they eventually returned to California.  In 1955 he was fulfilling his first contract (with Ballantine) for an adult SF novel (published as To Live Forever, 1956). Other than that, for the remainder of the decade he sold The Languages of Pao (1957, magazine, hardcover, and paperback) and a handful of stories to the SF digests.  It wasn't until the 1960s that his SF writing career got its second breath (The Demon Princes series beginning 1964, Planet of Adventure series 1968). In the late '60s he returned from another jaunt overseas and discovered that he had more money in the bank than when he had departed.  From that date he became a fulltime SF/F writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not Jack Vance, except in a peculiar way. In the 1950s Vance was a card-carrying union carpenter.  But when he made a significant sale, he and Norma would take the money and travel. When the money ran out, it would be back to the Bay Area and honest work.  In 1955, Vance had recently returned from Mexico where he and Frank Herbert had resided with their families for several months, hoping to live inexpensively as writers; but neither made any sales and they eventually returned to California.  In 1955 he was fulfilling his first contract (with Ballantine) for an adult SF novel (published as To Live Forever, 1956). Other than that, for the remainder of the decade he sold The Languages of Pao (1957, magazine, hardcover, and paperback) and a handful of stories to the SF digests.  It wasn&#8217;t until the 1960s that his SF writing career got its second breath (The Demon Princes series beginning 1964, Planet of Adventure series 1968). In the late &#8217;60s he returned from another jaunt overseas and discovered that he had more money in the bank than when he had departed.  From that date he became a fulltime SF/F writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This subject came up in a thread on the Asimov's bbs a week or so ago.  I'll post pretty much the same thing here that I posted there:

I made about $20k last year as a full-time fiction writer (with a little editing), yet I live in comfortable houses (in some beautiful parts of the world -- right now I'm in Australia) and I never have to worry about paying a phone bill or having the heat and power cut off. My secret: I gave up having a home of my own in the fall of 2007 and since then I have also been a full-time housesitter.

That's the state of play (and pay) in this business today. And, by many standards (a dozen or so books published, three more contracted to write, forty-odd stories sold to pro-paying mags), I'm an established success in sf.

Go figure.

An economist would say that I'm addressing the problem from the demand side, rather than the supply side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This subject came up in a thread on the Asimov&#8217;s bbs a week or so ago.  I&#8217;ll post pretty much the same thing here that I posted there:</p>
<p>I made about $20k last year as a full-time fiction writer (with a little editing), yet I live in comfortable houses (in some beautiful parts of the world &#8212; right now I&#8217;m in Australia) and I never have to worry about paying a phone bill or having the heat and power cut off. My secret: I gave up having a home of my own in the fall of 2007 and since then I have also been a full-time housesitter.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the state of play (and pay) in this business today. And, by many standards (a dozen or so books published, three more contracted to write, forty-odd stories sold to pro-paying mags), I&#8217;m an established success in sf.</p>
<p>Go figure.</p>
<p>An economist would say that I&#8217;m addressing the problem from the demand side, rather than the supply side.</p>
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