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	<title>Comments on: SF/F: Field, or Dangerfield?</title>
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		<title>By: Free SF Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.blackgate.com/2009/10/08/sff-field-or-dangerfield/comment-page-1/#comment-1634</link>
		<dc:creator>Free SF Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Free SF Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free SF Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.blackgate.com/2009/10/08/sff-field-or-dangerfield/#more-3618    Posted by Blue Tyson 3.0, study, t non-fiction, z free sf  Subscribe to RSS feed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Monday Link Roundup &#8212; The Hypnagogic State</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monday Link Roundup &#8212; The Hypnagogic State</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 05:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Enge responds to Anders&#8217; quote and Howell&#8217;s article in &#8220;SF/F: Field or Dangerfield?&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Thinkologist: The Dudley Lynch Blog on Brain Change &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Maybe Science Fiction is Dying, but the ER Is as Crowded and Raucous as that Cantina in Star Wars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thinkologist: The Dudley Lynch Blog on Brain Change &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Maybe Science Fiction is Dying, but the ER Is as Crowded and Raucous as that Cantina in Star Wars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all this doesn’t really begin to do justice to the cacophonous debate under way about the health, the role, the purity (or the contamination), the state and the fate or the coolness or uncoolness [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] all this doesn’t really begin to do justice to the cacophonous debate under way about the health, the role, the purity (or the contamination), the state and the fate or the coolness or uncoolness [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Will the Mainstream Respect Us in the Morning? - Babel Clash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will the Mainstream Respect Us in the Morning? - Babel Clash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on SF Signal next week when they unveil Part Two of this Mind Meld. (I raved about the same subject here, too.) But, like you, I have sometimes wondered why we keep asking ourselves this question. Also, I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on SF Signal next week when they unveil Part Two of this Mind Meld. (I raved about the same subject here, too.) But, like you, I have sometimes wondered why we keep asking ourselves this question. Also, I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Enge</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Enge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;in addition to being an okay poet, I was also a much nicer person than Pound, and, at least by comparison, pretty sane. Not that those distinctions are hard to accomplish.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No doubt! I do like some of EP's poetry (especially the shorter stuff) and I appreciate the careful and sympathetic editing and counsel he gave to TSE, for instance. But, in lots of ways, he really did put the rat in rat-bastard.

Academia's frosty embrace is dangerously seductive; I'm sure lots of creativity has gone to sleep there, never to wake again. On the other hand, it does offer opportunities for reading and writing that most jobs don't... Feeling sleepy. Senses fading...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>in addition to being an okay poet, I was also a much nicer person than Pound, and, at least by comparison, pretty sane. Not that those distinctions are hard to accomplish.</p></blockquote>
<p>No doubt! I do like some of EP&#8217;s poetry (especially the shorter stuff) and I appreciate the careful and sympathetic editing and counsel he gave to TSE, for instance. But, in lots of ways, he really did put the rat in rat-bastard.</p>
<p>Academia&#8217;s frosty embrace is dangerously seductive; I&#8217;m sure lots of creativity has gone to sleep there, never to wake again. On the other hand, it does offer opportunities for reading and writing that most jobs don&#8217;t&#8230; Feeling sleepy. Senses fading&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Avery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Respectability turns the key on the lock of life to keep it safe. Creativity may break the lock or make it, but isn’t interested in using it or being constrained by it.&lt;/i&gt;

Beautifully put! English departments are chockablock with people who thought academia would be a fine day job for a novelist, and almost all of them give up writing fiction of any kind before they finish their degrees. Most of their muses die of respectability poisoning.

I remember when I was working up my courage to leave academia, I got into a long argument with the ghost of Ezra Pound. "What do you got that I ain't got?" I asked him, because in addition to being an okay poet, I was also a much nicer person than Pound, and, at least by comparison, pretty sane. Not that those distinctions are hard to accomplish.

"You're such a good girl," said Pound's ghost. "You've never quit anything, flunked out of anything, gotten caught at anything, gotten kicked out of anything, or had to high-tail it out of anything. You don't need to take up anti-semitism or infidelity, but for gods's sakes, get fired at least once in your life."

I'd like to say I took his advice, but all the non-tenure-track people in my department got laid off in a budget crisis before I could do anything to deserve a dismissal. He's some of the reason I stayed gone, though. Bless nutty, nasty old Ezra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Respectability turns the key on the lock of life to keep it safe. Creativity may break the lock or make it, but isn’t interested in using it or being constrained by it.</i></p>
<p>Beautifully put! English departments are chockablock with people who thought academia would be a fine day job for a novelist, and almost all of them give up writing fiction of any kind before they finish their degrees. Most of their muses die of respectability poisoning.</p>
<p>I remember when I was working up my courage to leave academia, I got into a long argument with the ghost of Ezra Pound. &#8220;What do you got that I ain&#8217;t got?&#8221; I asked him, because in addition to being an okay poet, I was also a much nicer person than Pound, and, at least by comparison, pretty sane. Not that those distinctions are hard to accomplish.</p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;re such a good girl,&#8221; said Pound&#8217;s ghost. &#8220;You&#8217;ve never quit anything, flunked out of anything, gotten caught at anything, gotten kicked out of anything, or had to high-tail it out of anything. You don&#8217;t need to take up anti-semitism or infidelity, but for gods&#8217;s sakes, get fired at least once in your life.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to say I took his advice, but all the non-tenure-track people in my department got laid off in a budget crisis before I could do anything to deserve a dismissal. He&#8217;s some of the reason I stayed gone, though. Bless nutty, nasty old Ezra.</p>
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		<title>By: James Enge</title>
		<link>http://www.blackgate.com/2009/10/08/sff-field-or-dangerfield/comment-page-1/#comment-1188</link>
		<dc:creator>James Enge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bill: All the stuff I really love in the genre is "deep genre"--if there are no talking squids in space (or the heroic fantasy equivalent--multilegged screaming mushrooms, maybe), I'm not interested. If the people who pick the Booker (or whatever) aren't interested in that, that's okay with me. 

Hey Claire:

Throwing butter sculpture has got to be a better strategy. Has any army using butter sculpture as a weapon ever lost a culture war? Not as far as I know! Q.E.D.!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bill: All the stuff I really love in the genre is &#8220;deep genre&#8221;&#8211;if there are no talking squids in space (or the heroic fantasy equivalent&#8211;multilegged screaming mushrooms, maybe), I&#8217;m not interested. If the people who pick the Booker (or whatever) aren&#8217;t interested in that, that&#8217;s okay with me. </p>
<p>Hey Claire:</p>
<p>Throwing butter sculpture has got to be a better strategy. Has any army using butter sculpture as a weapon ever lost a culture war? Not as far as I know! Q.E.D.!</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.E. Cooney</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.S.E. Cooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How refreshing!

After reading the John Howell article yesterday my mood took a down-turn. But I like your argument better anyway - I believe I shall make others aware of it. 

It is so easy to get uppity and desperate! Better to put on the red nose and throw butter sculptures at "The Establishment."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How refreshing!</p>
<p>After reading the John Howell article yesterday my mood took a down-turn. But I like your argument better anyway - I believe I shall make others aware of it. </p>
<p>It is so easy to get uppity and desperate! Better to put on the red nose and throw butter sculptures at &#8220;The Establishment.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 06:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All my heroes came from the genre ghetto, and I can think of none greater.</description>
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