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	<title>Comments on: Comparative Monstrology</title>
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	<description>Adventures in Fantasy Literature</description>
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		<title>By: Black Gate &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On the Other Hand&#8211;Amen: The Collected Stories of Roger Zelazny. Volume One: Threshold; Volume Two: Power and Light</title>
		<link>http://www.blackgate.com/2009/06/18/comparative-monstrology/comment-page-1/#comment-1008</link>
		<dc:creator>Black Gate &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On the Other Hand&#8211;Amen: The Collected Stories of Roger Zelazny. Volume One: Threshold; Volume Two: Power and Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is the point, in a way that it should almost never be. That might sound weird, coming from a myth junkie like me, but the power of a mythic image in a piece of fiction should be almost unimpaired even if the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is the point, in a way that it should almost never be. That might sound weird, coming from a myth junkie like me, but the power of a mythic image in a piece of fiction should be almost unimpaired even if the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: braak</title>
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		<dc:creator>braak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James:

I think what always struck me about Indian mythology is the sense of just additional &lt;i&gt;civilizations&lt;/I&gt; everywhere.  It's not like raksashas were just some horrible monsters that lived in the woods--they had a whole island and a city and, presumably, raksasha bankers and shoemakers and raksasha beauty pageants.

The same with the Naga; it's not like the Naga was just &lt;i&gt;one&lt;/i&gt; snake-legged guy.  There was a whole kingdom of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James:</p>
<p>I think what always struck me about Indian mythology is the sense of just additional <i>civilizations</i> everywhere.  It&#8217;s not like raksashas were just some horrible monsters that lived in the woods&#8211;they had a whole island and a city and, presumably, raksasha bankers and shoemakers and raksasha beauty pageants.</p>
<p>The same with the Naga; it&#8217;s not like the Naga was just <i>one</i> snake-legged guy.  There was a whole kingdom of them.</p>
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		<title>By: James Enge</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Enge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dave--

I like a smart hero, too; there are some Norse ones (like Njal). 

Hey braak--

Adrienne Mayer wrote a great book called "The First Fossil Hunters" where she pursued (really persuasively, I though,t given the problematic evidence base) the idea that many of the monster/hero tales were generated by fossil discoveries.

Indian mythology is something I'm just dipping my toes into lately; pretty soon I'll have to dive deep, I think.

Hey Constance--

Egypt's influence is huge in every era of the ancient world--e.g. the Sphinx, fluted columns in Greek temples, mathematics etc. etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dave&#8211;</p>
<p>I like a smart hero, too; there are some Norse ones (like Njal). </p>
<p>Hey braak&#8211;</p>
<p>Adrienne Mayer wrote a great book called &#8220;The First Fossil Hunters&#8221; where she pursued (really persuasively, I though,t given the problematic evidence base) the idea that many of the monster/hero tales were generated by fossil discoveries.</p>
<p>Indian mythology is something I&#8217;m just dipping my toes into lately; pretty soon I&#8217;ll have to dive deep, I think.</p>
<p>Hey Constance&#8211;</p>
<p>Egypt&#8217;s influence is huge in every era of the ancient world&#8211;e.g. the Sphinx, fluted columns in Greek temples, mathematics etc. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: C - Foxessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>C - Foxessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Egypt still ruled, one way and another.  Herodotus had been to Egypt.  Everyone who was a serious trader with ships went to Egypt etc.  Egypt had elephants, and everything else that could be found in sub-sahellian Africa.

Love, C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Egypt still ruled, one way and another.  Herodotus had been to Egypt.  Everyone who was a serious trader with ships went to Egypt etc.  Egypt had elephants, and everything else that could be found in sub-sahellian Africa.</p>
<p>Love, C.</p>
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		<title>By: braak</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's funny, because Mieville ALSO wrote an essay where he described Tolkien as the "festering boil of modern fantasy," or something to that effect.

This is an interesting dichotomy, though, and I wonder where it comes from.  Even the Norse monsters that are described are really just big versions of regular things (like Fenris) or sometimes REALLY big versions of regular things (Jormungund).

I'm curious; I read something somewhere (this should lend it some authenticity!) about how the Cyclopes might have been inspired by old elephant skulls.  Was Classical civilization's comparatively cosmopolitan and, actually I guess comparatively bourgeois, society better suited to weird monsters?  Is there something to the idea that the less individual members of a society have to fight &lt;i&gt;actual&lt;/i&gt; things, the more imagination they devote to fantastic things?

Classical India had some pretty crazy monsters, too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny, because Mieville ALSO wrote an essay where he described Tolkien as the &#8220;festering boil of modern fantasy,&#8221; or something to that effect.</p>
<p>This is an interesting dichotomy, though, and I wonder where it comes from.  Even the Norse monsters that are described are really just big versions of regular things (like Fenris) or sometimes REALLY big versions of regular things (Jormungund).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious; I read something somewhere (this should lend it some authenticity!) about how the Cyclopes might have been inspired by old elephant skulls.  Was Classical civilization&#8217;s comparatively cosmopolitan and, actually I guess comparatively bourgeois, society better suited to weird monsters?  Is there something to the idea that the less individual members of a society have to fight <i>actual</i> things, the more imagination they devote to fantastic things?</p>
<p>Classical India had some pretty crazy monsters, too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NewGuyDave</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,
Great post. I like Norse for the dark atmosphere and the gods' mortality. I've also always enjoyed Classical for some of the great heroes and tales. There are a lot of intelligent Greek heroes, and that helps too.

Damn, all this talking of mythic monsters makes me want to play Age of Mythology. lol
Cheers,
Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
Great post. I like Norse for the dark atmosphere and the gods&#8217; mortality. I&#8217;ve also always enjoyed Classical for some of the great heroes and tales. There are a lot of intelligent Greek heroes, and that helps too.</p>
<p>Damn, all this talking of mythic monsters makes me want to play Age of Mythology. lol<br />
Cheers,<br />
Dave</p>
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