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	<title>Comments on: Magic: To Eff or Not to Eff?</title>
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	<description>Adventures in Fantasy Literature</description>
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		<title>By: David Sklar</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Sklar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, magic shouldn't make sense logically, but it has to make sense intuitively.  Because if it makes logical sense, then it's not magic, it's technology.  But if it doesn't make intuitive sense, then it isn't anything at all.  

I have two favorite writers when it comes to making magic feel real.  The first is Gabriel Garcia Marquez, who just weaves the impossible into the fabric of his world.  For fantasy writers, though, and adventure writers in particular, Marquez is a tough guy to copy, because in his world magic isn't something you can harness; it's just always there.  So a characer might have butterflies following him around the way a character in another book might have, say, blue eyes or a penchant for scotch.  But from all I've read, only one of his stories has sorcerers, and they're so messed up that whether they control magic doesn't matter because they can't even control themselves.

The other is Lisa Goldstein, who just soaks her world in magic the way you soak a cake in rum.  In Tourists, for example, she creates a country where everyone gets their news from random packs of Tarot cards that are printed every day, even though no one knows by whom.  I wish I could give here the quote she uses to open Travelers in Magic, but unfortunately my copy of that book just appears and disappears of its own accord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, magic shouldn&#8217;t make sense logically, but it has to make sense intuitively.  Because if it makes logical sense, then it&#8217;s not magic, it&#8217;s technology.  But if it doesn&#8217;t make intuitive sense, then it isn&#8217;t anything at all.  </p>
<p>I have two favorite writers when it comes to making magic feel real.  The first is Gabriel Garcia Marquez, who just weaves the impossible into the fabric of his world.  For fantasy writers, though, and adventure writers in particular, Marquez is a tough guy to copy, because in his world magic isn&#8217;t something you can harness; it&#8217;s just always there.  So a characer might have butterflies following him around the way a character in another book might have, say, blue eyes or a penchant for scotch.  But from all I&#8217;ve read, only one of his stories has sorcerers, and they&#8217;re so messed up that whether they control magic doesn&#8217;t matter because they can&#8217;t even control themselves.</p>
<p>The other is Lisa Goldstein, who just soaks her world in magic the way you soak a cake in rum.  In Tourists, for example, she creates a country where everyone gets their news from random packs of Tarot cards that are printed every day, even though no one knows by whom.  I wish I could give here the quote she uses to open Travelers in Magic, but unfortunately my copy of that book just appears and disappears of its own accord.</p>
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		<title>By: John R. Fultz</title>
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		<dc:creator>John R. Fultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 01:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, almost forgot: Pick up a copy of THE DRAGON AND THE UNICORN. First book of the ARTHOR series, but also a standalone read. 

Fan-freaking-TAS-tic...

J

PS. Be sure to do a blog review of it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, almost forgot: Pick up a copy of THE DRAGON AND THE UNICORN. First book of the ARTHOR series, but also a standalone read. </p>
<p>Fan-freaking-TAS-tic&#8230;</p>
<p>J</p>
<p>PS. Be sure to do a blog review of it!</p>
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		<title>By: John R. Fultz</title>
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		<dc:creator>John R. Fultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 01:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:)

Yes! Wonder is hard. 

But, oh, so sweet when it happens, eh?

Cheers,
J</description>
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<p>Yes! Wonder is hard. </p>
<p>But, oh, so sweet when it happens, eh?</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
J</p>
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		<title>By: James Enge</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Enge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 05:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, John--good stuff. I'll have to look up the Attanasio. I've read some of his fiction but nothing Arthurian.

Magic is easy. Wonder is hard. And that's the target.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, John&#8211;good stuff. I&#8217;ll have to look up the Attanasio. I&#8217;ve read some of his fiction but nothing Arthurian.</p>
<p>Magic is easy. Wonder is hard. And that&#8217;s the target.</p>
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		<title>By: John R. Fultz</title>
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		<dc:creator>John R. Fultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating post, James!

You've hit on the real challenge of writing fantasy magic: how to make the miraculous, esoteric, and utterly strange seem not only beleivable, but understandable by the reader (if not by the characters).

Magic, or sorcery, should ideally invoke images and concepts that are beyond the mundane, i.e. that are fantastical. When sorcery borders on the surreal, it's usually at it's best. When the writer can DESCRIBE the INDESCRIBABLE that is a feat to accomplish. When the written word itself becomes a kind of SPELL worked upon the reader--that's when you get magic that really blows your reader's mind. 

Darrell Schweitzer does this amazingly well in his MASK OF THE SORCERER book, as well as his SEKENRE stories, and a good deal of his other fantasy tales. He writes about magical workings and events as if he's peeling back the layers of reality and driving a needle into your subconscious--or your mind's eye--and he describes the impossible with phantasmagoric metaphor, simile, imagery, and lyrical fashion. His work is a form of sorcery itself--as good writing always is--bring the ineffable into focus, making the reader envision a transcendental experience through sheer word-power.

R. Scott Bakker has a different approach. His sorcery fills the air like intricate geometries, and his sorcerers (in THE PRINCE OF NOTHING series) mutter incantations like mathematical formulas, working hidden forces of the universe the way Stephen Hawking might solve a metaphysical rubic's cube in a flash of deadly light. His technique for capturing magic/sorcery in words is more direct than Schweitzer's but no less powerful...not as surreal, but fascinating and evocative.

A.A. Attanasio is also a true wizard of writing terrific magic/sorcery. In his ARTHOR series (THE DRAGON AND THE UNICORN, et. al.) he writes about mind-boggling magic as if it's simply quantum physics manipulating the hidden energies of the universe. He makes the preposterous seem logical...his Merlin manipulating the atomic field with an incantation...his gods living in the upper atmosphere on whole continents composing various vibrational planes of reality...his world-dragon sleeping deep within the planet's core radiating energies that can be tapped and channeled by those with the knowledge and skills...and his demons that are vast, wicked intelligences floating in from the cold spaces of the void. He looks at the natural world and uses a philosophical take on quantum mechanics to create sorcery that just seems...right...but is no less wonderful.

Anyone can do magic. The trick is to do it in a new way instead of recycling the old tropes of spellcraft...to invent a fresh take on sorcery, you sort of have to invent the universe itself (in your story, at least). Then you have to find a style and approach that conveys this to the reader with imagery, philosophy, and above all a sense of wonder...while at the same time entertaining and making the magic serve the story.

Then there's the classic mastery of Dunsany, who transformed entire kingdoms on a well-turned metaphor, and built new dimensions out of simple figurative language well-chosen. He didn't worry about how his magic worked--and he didnt' bother to explain it to the reader--the wonder and magic he created in his fantasies were simply an integral part of the natural world itself. That may be the best place for us all to look when trying to find our own MAGIC.

Cheers,
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating post, James!</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve hit on the real challenge of writing fantasy magic: how to make the miraculous, esoteric, and utterly strange seem not only beleivable, but understandable by the reader (if not by the characters).</p>
<p>Magic, or sorcery, should ideally invoke images and concepts that are beyond the mundane, i.e. that are fantastical. When sorcery borders on the surreal, it&#8217;s usually at it&#8217;s best. When the writer can DESCRIBE the INDESCRIBABLE that is a feat to accomplish. When the written word itself becomes a kind of SPELL worked upon the reader&#8211;that&#8217;s when you get magic that really blows your reader&#8217;s mind. </p>
<p>Darrell Schweitzer does this amazingly well in his MASK OF THE SORCERER book, as well as his SEKENRE stories, and a good deal of his other fantasy tales. He writes about magical workings and events as if he&#8217;s peeling back the layers of reality and driving a needle into your subconscious&#8211;or your mind&#8217;s eye&#8211;and he describes the impossible with phantasmagoric metaphor, simile, imagery, and lyrical fashion. His work is a form of sorcery itself&#8211;as good writing always is&#8211;bring the ineffable into focus, making the reader envision a transcendental experience through sheer word-power.</p>
<p>R. Scott Bakker has a different approach. His sorcery fills the air like intricate geometries, and his sorcerers (in THE PRINCE OF NOTHING series) mutter incantations like mathematical formulas, working hidden forces of the universe the way Stephen Hawking might solve a metaphysical rubic&#8217;s cube in a flash of deadly light. His technique for capturing magic/sorcery in words is more direct than Schweitzer&#8217;s but no less powerful&#8230;not as surreal, but fascinating and evocative.</p>
<p>A.A. Attanasio is also a true wizard of writing terrific magic/sorcery. In his ARTHOR series (THE DRAGON AND THE UNICORN, et. al.) he writes about mind-boggling magic as if it&#8217;s simply quantum physics manipulating the hidden energies of the universe. He makes the preposterous seem logical&#8230;his Merlin manipulating the atomic field with an incantation&#8230;his gods living in the upper atmosphere on whole continents composing various vibrational planes of reality&#8230;his world-dragon sleeping deep within the planet&#8217;s core radiating energies that can be tapped and channeled by those with the knowledge and skills&#8230;and his demons that are vast, wicked intelligences floating in from the cold spaces of the void. He looks at the natural world and uses a philosophical take on quantum mechanics to create sorcery that just seems&#8230;right&#8230;but is no less wonderful.</p>
<p>Anyone can do magic. The trick is to do it in a new way instead of recycling the old tropes of spellcraft&#8230;to invent a fresh take on sorcery, you sort of have to invent the universe itself (in your story, at least). Then you have to find a style and approach that conveys this to the reader with imagery, philosophy, and above all a sense of wonder&#8230;while at the same time entertaining and making the magic serve the story.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the classic mastery of Dunsany, who transformed entire kingdoms on a well-turned metaphor, and built new dimensions out of simple figurative language well-chosen. He didn&#8217;t worry about how his magic worked&#8211;and he didnt&#8217; bother to explain it to the reader&#8211;the wonder and magic he created in his fantasies were simply an integral part of the natural world itself. That may be the best place for us all to look when trying to find our own MAGIC.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
John</p>
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